Saturday, August 24, 2013

Isa Massih of Quran is NOT Jesus Christ (Yeshuyah Massiah)

Jesus Christ (Yehoshua Messiah) is a true Historical figure (not even like Muhammad). Jesus was referred in thousands of christian as well as non-Christian records and scriptures. Through out Human History, never recorded such type of mystical character, who had revived from dead, done many miracles, influenced the entire world. The Morality Jesus taught in New testament of Bible is miraculous, when we realize that he gave those 2000 years before. Can you Imagine a society and its significance in that time period? His words and prophecies had happened and happening though out the History of Human Kind. 

While Isa in Islamic culture is different, from hadiths we can see a miraculous Isa and a racist one who will kill and torture Christians to converting to Islam at end of days. From Islamic cult, "Isa was not crucified(quran 4:157), allah did appeared to be so, allah cheated all people (not mentioned whom all) by a miracle, then Isa got escaped from hands of Roman soldiers and lived his life some where and ascend to heaven", but these are only written in Islamic hadiths and quran. No historical proof that Jesus was substituted with some young man(some say Judas) & also No historical proof of Jesus escaped lived some where.


1) NAME Contradictions & proof of Character copying 
Jesus Christ is in English, early Hebrew name was Yehoshua Messiah, Significant meaning of this name is amazingly same as the G-D. 
  • "Yeho" means abbreviated form of Y-H-W-H, The G-d of Israel & Christians
  • "Shua" means abbreviated form of 'yasha' = to save, to deliver
Thus meaning of the name is "G-D to save", salvation by G-D, Deliverance by G-D. 

Isa is transliteration of name Isous, NOT TRANSLATION. But unfortunately Isa in arabic is just meaningless name can't even compare with the great name. Islam claims, 'allah is to be knowing wise', also claims 'Arabic is most sacred language, translate arabic will cause the meaning change' etc, so this important name 'Isa' in arabic should mean some thing, right? Islam providing different aspect of Jesus Christ, so it should be independent, but the clarity on Isa is much much less in Hadiths. Even meaning of name has lost while introducing as Isa in Islam, which clearly states character was scratched from Gospels. [i.e Copied with out copyright]

2) Historical Jesus & References of Isa  

Non-Christian sources for Jesus in History

Tacitus (AD 55-120), a renowned historical of ancient Rome, wrote in the latter half of the first century that ‘Christus ... was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius: but the pernicious superstition, repressed for a time, broke out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief originated, but through the city of Rome also.’ (Annals 15: 44).
Suetonius writing around AD 120 tells of disturbances of the Jews at the ‘instigation of Chrestus’, during the time of the emperor Claudius. This could refer to Jesus, and appears to relate to the events of Acts 18:2, which took place in AD 49.
Thallus, a secular historian writing perhaps around AD 52 refers to the death of Jesus in a discussion of the darkness over the land after his death. The original is lost, but Thallus’ arguments — explaining what happened as a solar eclipse — are referred to by Julius Africanus in the early 3rd century.
Mara Bar-Serapion, a Syrian writing after the destruction of the Temple in AD 70, mentions the earlier execution of Jesus, whom he calls a ‘King’.
The Babylonian Talmud refers to the crucifixion (calling it a hanging) of Jesus the Nazarene on the eve of the Passover. In the Talmud Jesus is also called the illegitimate son of Mary.
Josephus, A Jewish historian describes Jesus’ crucifixion under Pilate in his Antiquities, written about AD 93/94. Josephus also refers to James the brother of Jesus and his execution during the time of Ananus (or Annas) the high priest.
SAUL, (Paul epistle, Once he butchered Christians) were written in the interval 20-30 years after Jesus’ death. They are valuable historical documents, not least because they contain credal confessions which undoubtedly date to the first few decades of the Christian community.
NOTE: Paul became a believer in Jesus within a few years of Jesus’ crucifixion. He writes in his first letter to the Corinthians ‘For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he was seen by Cephas (Peter), then by the twelve.’ This makes clear that belief in the death of Jesus was there from the beginning of Christianity. 

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Christian Source : The four gospels

• The four gospels were written down in the period 20-60 years after Jesus’ death, within living memory of the events they describe.

The events which the gospels describe for the most part took place in the full light of public scrutiny. Jesus’ teaching was followed by large crowds. There were very many witnesses to the events of his life. His death was a public execution. 
Come back to the Question, Is Isa is Jesus in Bible?

Comparing the Jesus, with accounts and the real history, Biblical Jesus was proven to be

(1) Jesus, Son of Mary
(2) Jesus was crucified by Pontius Pilate
(3) Jesus Tomb was empty & Claimed Resurrected
(4) Outbreak of Christianity 

Comparing the Isa, with real history, 

(1) Isa, Son of Miriam, Miriam is Sister of Aron & Daughter of Imram, - This Isa Never existed
(2) Isa was not Crucified, - No proof for claims, says only Miracle
(3) Isa Claims never Resurrected & Isa escaped and lived hidden.
(4) Spread of Christianity because of treacherous act by allah, that he made to appear that Jesus was crucified (Judas was substituted), that made the numerous apostles (fools in respective to quran) died, gave life in the name of Jesus, for this treachery.

Miriam(prophetess) & Maryam: Miriam was not Maryam.

  • In quran, Miriam was the daughter of Imran, sister of Haron quran 19:27-29, 3:35-36, Look in to versus 19:28 "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot."
  • In Bible Miriam was the daughter of Amram, Sister of Aron, sister of Moses. See Exodus 15:20 "Then Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a tambourine in her hand, and all the women went out after her with tambourines and dancing."
  Comparing the above 2 points we can understand that Miriam in quran & in Holy Bible are similar. But closely examine this, the author of quran & hadits (Claims it was muhammad), substitute miriam (prophetess), the Aron's sister as Jesus Mother.
According to Histrical scriptures, Amram (Miriam(prophetess), Moses, Aron lived around 1525 BC) genealogy.

  But Islam debtors created a new theory called 'sister theory', to cover one of many error in quran. SISTER THEORY says, "Any one can be called as sister or brother if they are in same tribe, Aron's decedent is Mariyam(Miriam Mother of Isa in quran), so she can be called sister of Aron". Israel (Jacob) is called as a tribe, but never ever called Aron as a tribe. There fore it can only be a pseudo-claim to cover up the error. Also see the above Bible versus, same proclamation for Miriam 'sister of Aaron' for the bilogocal sister of Moses and Aron. But the link to miriam in quran never ends with 'sister of Aaron', quran 3:35-36 clearly states that miriam's father is Imarm (Amram), thus supports the 'sister of Aaron' as real biological sister. observe below

  • 3:35 (pickthall) when the wife of 'Imran said: My Lord! I have vowed unto Thee that which is in my belly as a consecrated (offering). Accept it from me. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Hearer, the Knower!
  • 3:36 (pickthall) And when she was delivered she said: My Lord! Lo! I am delivered of a female - Allah knew best of what she was delivered - the male is not as the female; and lo! I have named her Mary, and lo! I crave Thy protection for her and for her offspring from Satan the outcast.
  • 66:12 (pickthall) And Mary, daughter of 'Imran, whose body was chaste, therefor We breathed therein something of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.
  So SISTER THEORY fails here! So Musalem debtors will come up with another Descendant Lie theory, "Imram's daughter Mary descendant to Maryam to Jesus". But unfortunately Jesus's (& mother Mary's) genealogy is through Aron, son of Amram (Imram as in quran). So if Musalem debtors, dare to come up with Descendant Lie theory, they are denying their own Sister theory, because sister of Aron is perfectly wrong, it should be "Mary Sister of Miriam". 
  Also form historical as well as Christian scriptures parents of Mary(Mother of Jesus) is Joachin & Anne. Imram or Amram is only a single character through out the Jewish & Christian scriptures (there by also in quran & Islamic sciprutres), AMRAM biological father of Moses, Aron, Miriam(prophetess). This is the sign of G-D to show who is real Jesus of Nazareth.
  So quran is Wrong, it can't even prove that descendant hierarchy or any one, in Islamic scripture, eg: even Muhammad genealogy was not there compared with Abraham, just a vague assumption on Ismail. This made Islam to defend in only way that apart quran all scriptures are defected or fabricated. What we can call in this type of mentality?  

Isa was not crucified, Another Islamic Myth without any source! 
quran 4:157, states that "And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them". In some Islamic sources says that Judas was switched with Isa, every one was cheated and believed Isa was got killed. Let us see,various views with in the Islamic cult about the Crucifying of Isa,

  1. Muslims who accept the substitution theory cannot agree on "who" was substituted. Some Muslim exegetes who accept the substitution theory are silent on who substituted Isa (reminds me of "no certain knowledge") by Umar bin Kathir Al-Qurashi Al-Busrawi (1301-1373).
  2. The substitution stories are not all unanimous; there details have variations there appears to be no consensus of the exact facts of these stories among the exegetes.
  3. The early centuries of Islam seem to be more silent on the issue, even the Hadith collections of Imam Burkhari and Imam Muslim are silent on the issue of the Crucifixion.
  4. Some Muslims believe Isa was crucified but he survived the crucifixion and was raised into heaven by Allah i.e. the Swoon Theory by Ahmad dedaat.
  5. Some Muslims believe Isa was not crucified at all but died a natural death, someone else however died in his place.
  6. Some Muslims believe there was no specific individual crucified, either Isa or his alleged clone, they believe this story was later invented by the Jews.
  7. Islamic Scholarship in the past and present has been divided on this issue. To this day there is no unanimous view held by Allah's Ummah.
See and the different sort of views on Isa's Crucifixion. Quran & hadiths failed to answer perfectly by all knowing allah as like walking in mist.
Any way I want to quote 2 things, 
1) Substitution 
Umar bin Kathir Al-Qurashi Al-Busrawi, says 
" Isa asks "Who volunteers to be made to look like me, for which he will be my companion in Paradise'' A young man volunteered, but `Isa thought that he was too young. He asked the question a second and third time, each time the young man volunteering, prompting `Isa to say, "Well then, you will be that man.'' Allah made the young man look exactly like `Isa, while a hole opened in the roof of the house, and `Isa was made to sleep and ascended to heaven while asleep. Allah said,". 
The above one seems to be like a simple childish Arabian-dream stories. Isa & allah is fabricating every thing from the scratch to make all (including followers) fools. The followers were died in the name of Isa later, some of apostles gave the life are listed below, 
Andrew—crucified on a cross.
Barnabas—stoned to death by Jews.
Bartholomew—beaten to death with clubs.
James, brother of Jesus—stoned.
James the Less—thrown from a pinnacle of the temple and beaten.
John—natural causes.
Jude—crucified.
Luke—hanged on an olive tree.
Mark—dragged through the streets by his feet and then burned to death.
Matthias—stoned and beheaded.
Matthew—killed by sword.
Paul—beheaded.
Peter—scourged and crucified upside down.
Philip—scourged and crucified.
Simon—crucified.
Thomas—thrust through with a spear.
James, son of Zebedee—killed by the sword.
Thaddaeus—killed by arrows.
continues to thousands.....
My Question is, These apostles died for what? AS A RESULT OF TREACHEROUS ACT OF ALLAH? Can Isa also be a part of that treachery? 
Even though No proof or unity among the Islam, about what happened in Crucifixion, its authenticity is fallible and Isa is treacherous it is disgrace to equate Isa with Jesus.

2) Swoon Theory: As per medical examinations on about the Roman Crucifixion, it is hard to survive. By Crusifixion possible causes of death: cardiac rupture, heart failure, hypovolemic shock, acidosis, asphyxia, arrhythmia, and pulmonary embolism or by multiple causes mentioned. Even got survived they will be killed by the soldiers. But chances are very very rare to be survived if nailed. Even though Jesus was brutally tortured and striped several times before he was sentenced to death by Pontius Pilate. Deedat says, "Jesus after claimed to resurrect and join the followers while they eat. He was in physical form". Unfortunately, Dedaat missed the entire concept , Jesus resurrected with complete body with all physical nature. So Dataat claims again that "wounds were fabricated and Jesus made believe all that He got resurrected, while he doesn't appeared publicly, because he was afraid of Jews & Romans". Dedaat Opposes everything with nothing, Vague assumptions done by Musalems as like said that "Muhammad descend from Ismail", while there were no proof. We see Allah is best of Deceivers (treacherous quran 3:54)  and fabricator, so also Islam trying to add Jesus to the group of allah, in the name of Isa. Truth is well written in clarification that Jesus was crucified and died on cross. 

  About Isa in Islam cult, no clarification & unanimous views by followers of Muhammad. Barnabas Gospel is failed the authentic proofs, it was another Deceiver act by Muhammad's allah, which failed again !First let Muslims have a unity among them about this and let them come up with a authentic proof on about Isa before equates with Jesus.

Conclusion
  So it is very hard to divert the real knowledge from History and Christian sources about Jesus, to an unclassified character called Isa in Islam cult. So these evidences and facts proves Jesus is real character and Isa is still in fog. Isa may can just be a shadow or a fabrication of real Yehoshua(Jesus)



1 comment:

  1. This is a reply for one in relation to The Apocalypse of Peter (http://gnosis.org/naghamm/apopet.html)

    The refute is Jesus was not crucified, as according to - Apocalypse of Peter

    Let see...

    //And he said to me, "Be strong, for you are the one to whom these mysteries have been given, to know them through revelation, that he whom they crucified is the first-born, and the home of demons, and the stony vessel in which they dwell, of Elohim, of the cross, which is under the Law. But he who stands near him is the living Savior, the first in him, whom they seized and released, who stands joyfully looking at those who did him violence, while they are divided among themselves. Therefore he laughs at their lack of perception, knowing that they are born blind. So then the one susceptible to suffering shall come, since the body is the substitute. But what they released was my incorporeal body. But I am the intellectual Spirit filled with radiant light. He whom you saw coming to me is our intellectual Pleroma, which unites the perfect light with my Holy Spirit."\\


    Claim.
    Jesus says in this....
    //he whom they crucified is the first-born\\
    Reply:
    They had belief (Right belief)that Jews had crucified Jesus..

    Claim:
    //while they are divided among themselves\\ - yes , This Crucifixion later continues to Resurrection caused Jews got divided among them selves, One to Following christ... other side was BLINDED Jews.....

    Claim:
    //So then the one susceptible to suffering shall come, since the body is the substitute.\\
    Reply:
    Yes the substitute (for the sins of People) body for Sacrifice Body is JESUS, the sacrifice as mentioned in scriptures, Same as like lamb instead of Issac, cnt..

    Claim:
    //But what they released was my incorporeal Body\\
    Reply:
    They(Jews) cannot get rid him - Resurrection ... This is perfect point for Resurrection of JESUS CHRIST....

    Thanks!
    WARNING! The Gnostic Bible is Hellenistic Bible (Myths & Un-authenticated) , trying to state Greek Mythological Figures alike to consume Real Bible, But You Can Study for your references..

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